{"id":56059,"date":"2020-05-07T08:31:44","date_gmt":"2020-05-07T07:31:44","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/englishlane.net\/onlineskola\/?p=56059"},"modified":"2022-06-13T12:21:09","modified_gmt":"2022-06-13T10:21:09","slug":"pocetnicka-greska-iako-nisi-pocetnik","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/englishlane.net\/onlineskola\/pocetnicka-greska-iako-nisi-pocetnik\/","title":{"rendered":"Po\u010detni\u010dka gre\u0161ka iako nisi po\u010detnik"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>[et_pb_section fb_built=&#8221;1&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.16&#8243; custom_padding=&#8221;0px|0px|0px|0px||&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_row _builder_version=&#8221;4.16&#8243; background_size=&#8221;initial&#8221; background_position=&#8221;top_left&#8221; background_repeat=&#8221;repeat&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][et_pb_column type=&#8221;4_4&#8243; _builder_version=&#8221;4.16&#8243; custom_padding=&#8221;|||&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221; custom_padding__hover=&#8221;|||&#8221;][et_pb_post_title categories=&#8221;off&#8221; comments=&#8221;off&#8221; _builder_version=&#8221;4.16&#8243; title_font=&#8221;|700|||||||&#8221; title_font_size=&#8221;30px&#8221; meta_font=&#8221;||||||||&#8221; background_color=&#8221;#ffffff&#8221; custom_css_post_image=&#8221;padding-top:20px;&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;][\/et_pb_post_title][et_pb_text admin_label=&#8221;Text&#8221; _builder_version=&#8221;4.16&#8243; z_index_tablet=&#8221;500&#8243; text_text_shadow_horizontal_length_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; text_text_shadow_vertical_length_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; text_text_shadow_blur_strength_tablet=&#8221;1px&#8221; link_text_shadow_horizontal_length_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; link_text_shadow_vertical_length_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; link_text_shadow_blur_strength_tablet=&#8221;1px&#8221; ul_text_shadow_horizontal_length_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; ul_text_shadow_vertical_length_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; ul_text_shadow_blur_strength_tablet=&#8221;1px&#8221; ol_text_shadow_horizontal_length_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; ol_text_shadow_vertical_length_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; ol_text_shadow_blur_strength_tablet=&#8221;1px&#8221; quote_text_shadow_horizontal_length_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; quote_text_shadow_vertical_length_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; quote_text_shadow_blur_strength_tablet=&#8221;1px&#8221; header_text_shadow_horizontal_length_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; header_text_shadow_vertical_length_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; header_text_shadow_blur_strength_tablet=&#8221;1px&#8221; header_2_text_shadow_horizontal_length_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; header_2_text_shadow_vertical_length_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; header_2_text_shadow_blur_strength_tablet=&#8221;1px&#8221; header_3_text_shadow_horizontal_length_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; header_3_text_shadow_vertical_length_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; header_3_text_shadow_blur_strength_tablet=&#8221;1px&#8221; header_4_text_shadow_horizontal_length_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; header_4_text_shadow_vertical_length_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; header_4_text_shadow_blur_strength_tablet=&#8221;1px&#8221; header_5_text_shadow_horizontal_length_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; header_5_text_shadow_vertical_length_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; header_5_text_shadow_blur_strength_tablet=&#8221;1px&#8221; header_6_text_shadow_horizontal_length_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; header_6_text_shadow_vertical_length_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; header_6_text_shadow_blur_strength_tablet=&#8221;1px&#8221; box_shadow_horizontal_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; box_shadow_vertical_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; box_shadow_blur_tablet=&#8221;40px&#8221; box_shadow_spread_tablet=&#8221;0px&#8221; global_colors_info=&#8221;{}&#8221;]<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">U engleskom jeziku postoji izraz <em>rookie mistake<\/em> (po\u010detni\u010dka gre\u0161ka). Mislim da je to odli\u010dan termin da opi\u0161e ne\u0161to \u0161to sam primetila kod polaznika koji su na naprednijim kursevima. Ali izgleda da to nije samo kod njih.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">U po\u010detku mi je delovalo kao ne\u0161to \u0161to se tek tako de\u0161ava. Ta\u010dno se se\u0107am tog dana kada sam po\u010dela to da prime\u0107ujem.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\">Bilo je to na jednom od na\u0161ih \u010dasova,<span style=\"font-size: 16px;\">\u00a0konverzacija na engleskom je u toku, a slu\u0161am pa\u017eljivo kako polaznici odgovaraju na pitanja, i zapisujem bele\u0161ke. Na\u0161a polaznica prepri\u010dava gde je bila na odmoru, i koristi opet ba\u0161 taj izraz. Ne jednom, ve\u0107 mnogo puta u vrlo kratkoj pri\u010di. Ba\u0161 mi je ostalo upe\u010datljivo.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">\u0160ansa je da mo\u017eda pravi\u0161 jednu po\u010detni\u010dku gre\u0161ku u komunikaciji, a da toga uop\u0161te nisi svesna.<\/span><\/p>\n<h2 class=\"p1\">Po\u010detni\u010dka gre\u0161ka<\/h2>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Pogledaj ovaj primer: <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><em><span class=\"s1\">When I was on holiday, I watched some movie about time travel.\u00a0<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/giphy.com\/gifs\/Friends-season-5-episode-4-s05e04-j5oPLXjzmqVoeHyCBP\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/media.giphy.com\/media\/j5oPLXjzmqVoeHyCBP\/giphy.gif\" alt=\"Season 5 GIF by Friends - Find &amp; Share on GIPHY\" width=\"480\" height=\"400\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">Prvi deo re\u010denice je ta\u010dno napisan. Lepo je upotrebljeno vreme kao i izraz <em>on holiday<\/em>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">Gre\u0161ka se nalazi u drugom delu re\u010denice. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">Iako su vremena i red re\u010di u redu, problem je re\u010d <em>some<\/em>. Ova re\u010d je pogre\u0161no upotrebljena u ovoj re\u010denici. Ta\u010dna re\u010denica glasi: <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><em><span class=\"s1\">When I was on holiday, I watched a movie about time travel.\u00a0<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">Za\u0161to se javlja ova po\u010detni\u010dka gre\u0161ka?<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">Do ove gre\u0161ke dolazi, zato \u0161to se previ\u0161e oslanja\u0161 na prevod. Osoba koja je napisala ovu re\u010denicu u jednom zadatku, \u017eelela je da ka\u017ee da je gledala \u201cneki film\u201d. Iako se <em>some<\/em> \u010desto prevodi <em>neki, nekoliko, ne\u0161to<\/em>, i predstavlja neodre\u0111enu koli\u010dinu, ovde nije mogu\u0107e upotrebiti <em>some<\/em>, jer je re\u010d koja sledi posle u jednini (<em>movie<\/em>). <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p3\"><span class=\"s1\">Isto to neodre\u0111eno \u0107e\u0161 dobiti upotrebom neodre\u0111enog \u010dlana <em>a\/an<\/em>. U ovoj situaciji, izraz <em>I watched a movie<\/em>\u2026 mo\u017ee\u0161 prevesi <em>Gledala sam (neki) film<\/em>\u2026<\/span><\/p>\n<h2 class=\"p6\"><span class=\"s1\">Koje je pravilo za upotrebu a\/an i some<\/span><\/h2>\n<p class=\"p6\"><span class=\"s1\">Kada \u017eeli\u0161 da ka\u017ee\u0161 da je neki pojam neodre\u0111en, upotrebi <em>a\/an<\/em> ispred tog pojma ako je u pitanju brojiva imenica u jednini. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p6\"><span class=\"s1\">Ako je pojam koji opisuje\u0161 neodre\u0111en, a u pitanju je pojam u mno\u017eini ili pojam koji je nebrojiv, upotrebi <em>some<\/em>. <\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"p7\"><span class=\"s1\"><strong>a\/an<\/strong> se koristi ispred <strong>brojivih imenica u jednini<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p7\"><span class=\"s1\"><strong>some<\/strong> se koristi za <strong>nebrojive imenice i imenice u mno\u017eini<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"p9\"><span class=\"s1\">Sada pogledaj \u0161ta to zna\u010di na primerima:<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p10\"><span class=\"s1\"><em>When I drink coffee in the morning, I like to read some magazine.<\/em> &#8211; Pogre\u0161no je upotrebljena re\u010d <em>some<\/em>, jer je re\u010d posle u jednini (<em>magazine<\/em>) i u pitanju je brojiva imenica.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p11\"><span class=\"s1\">Ta\u010dna re\u010denica: <em>When I drink coffee in the morning, I like to read a magazine.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p10\"><span class=\"s1\"><em>I have got some book about meditation.<\/em> &#8211; Pogre\u0161no je upotrebljena re\u010d <em>some<\/em> zato je \u0161to je re\u010d <em>book<\/em> brojiva imenica u jednini. Po\u0161to je <em>knjiga<\/em> neodre\u0111ena, nepoznati pojam, neophodno je upotrebiti \u010dlan <em>a<\/em>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p11\"><span class=\"s1\">Ta\u010dna re\u010denica: <em>I have got a book about meditation.<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p><em>I would like some coffee.<\/em> &#8211; Ta\u010dno je upotrebljena re\u010d <em>some<\/em> jer je posle nebrojiva imenica (<em>coffee<\/em>).<\/p>\n<p><em>We&#8217;ve had some problems with our neighbours.<\/em> &#8211; Re\u010d <em>some<\/em> je ta\u010dno upotrebljena jer je imenica koja sledi (<em>problems<\/em>) u mno\u017eini. U ovoj re\u010denici, <em>some<\/em> mo\u017ee i da se izostavi, re\u010denice je ta\u010dna i bez te re\u010di:\u00a0<em>We&#8217;ve had problems with our neighbours.<\/em><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p>Slede\u0107i put kada \u017eeli\u0161 da upotrebi\u0161 <em>some<\/em> da ka\u017ee\u0161 ne\u0161to na engleskom, obrati pa\u017enju na re\u010d koja sledi posle te re\u010di <em>some<\/em>. Ako je re\u010d brojiva imenica u jednini, izostavi <em>some<\/em>. Ta re\u010d ti nije potrebna u toj situaciji.<\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<h2>Re\u0161enje i zadatak za tebe<\/h2>\n<p>Stvar je tome da u na\u0161em jeziku mnogo koristimo to <em>neki, neka, ne\u0161to<\/em> kada pri\u010damo o neodre\u0111enim stvarima. Takve su nam re\u010denice i onda nam je skroz prirodno da tako i ka\u017eemo na engleskom.<\/p>\n<p>Onda opet, ovo je sve vezano za \u010dlanove u engleskom jeziku koji su vrsta re\u010di koja ne postoji u na\u0161em jeziku. Znam, nije ba\u0161 ni lako nau\u010diti sva pravila i izuzetke kada se koji \u010dlan koristi.<\/p>\n<p><em>Jedino re\u0161enje za ovaj problem jeste da detaljno nau\u010di\u0161 kako se upotrebljavaju \u010dlanovi u engleskom jeziku. To su one re\u010di the, a\/an. I to ne samo pravila, ve\u0107 je potrebno i da nau\u010di\u0161 da razume\u0161 za\u0161to se \u010dlanovi koriste a za\u0161to se nekada izostavljaju.<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Sada \u017eelim da ispi\u0161e\u0161 na papiru tvoje odgovore na slede\u0107a pitanja, na engleskom:<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Kako si provela pro\u0161lo leto? Gde si bila? U kom sme\u0161taju (ako si putovala)?<\/p>\n<p>&#8211; Kako si provodila slobodno vreme? Da li si gledala NEKI film ili mo\u017eda pro\u010ditala NEKU knjigu?<\/p>\n<p>Namerno sam postavila ba\u0161 ova pitanja i pitanja nisu na engleskom (iako je zadatak da odgovore napi\u0161e\u0161 na engleskom), kako bih te navela da sama uvidi\u0161 ovu zamku sa kori\u0161\u0107enjem <em>some<\/em>\u00a0u re\u010denicama. Kada ispi\u0161e\u0161 odgovore, vrati se nazad i proveri da li si lepo napisala koriste\u0107i ono \u0161to si nau\u010dila u ovoj lekciji.<\/p>\n<p>Znam da postoji dosta nedoumica kada se upotrebljava \u010dlan u engleskom, a ovo je samo jedna od njih. To je glavni razlog i za\u0161to sam osmislila kurs <a href=\"https:\/\/englishlane.net\/onlineskola\/clanovi-u-engleskom-jeziku-kurs\/\">\u010clanovi u engleskom jeziku<\/a>, gde sam objasnila sva pravila neophodna da prakti\u010dno primeni\u0161 \u010dlanove.<\/p>\n<p>U pitanju je onlajn kurs koji traje 6 nedelja gde se postupno u\u010di sve \u0161to je neophodno da razume\u0161 kako se koriste \u010dlanovi, u kojim situacijama, i za\u0161to je ponekad potrebno izostaviti \u010dlan.<\/p>\n<p>Kurs sadr\u017ei:<\/p>\n<ul>\n<li>Preko 2 sata video materijala<\/li>\n<li>Preko 1000 primera za ve\u017ebu<\/li>\n<li>Pregledanje zadataka i konsultacije u pisanom obliku<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/englishlane.net\/onlineskola\/clanovi-u-engleskom-jeziku-kurs\/\">Pogledaj vi\u0161e o kursu i prijavi se na listu \u010dekanja ovde &gt;&gt;<\/a><\/p>\n<p>Nadam se da ti je ovo obja\u0161njenje pomoglo i da \u0107e\u0161 sada umeti da razlikuje\u0161 <em>a<\/em> i <em>some<\/em> u re\u010denicama.<\/p>\n<p>\u010clanovi su op\u0161irna tema i potrebno je dosta vremena da se oni uspe\u0161no nau\u010de, ali moj savet je da u\u010di\u0161 postepeno. Nemoj da o\u010dekuje\u0161 da sva pravila, sve primere i sve izuzetke mo\u017ee\u0161 nau\u010diti vrlo lako. Potrebno je izvesno vreme da sve nau\u010di\u0161, a zatim i dosta ve\u017ebe da se sve to primeni.<\/p>\n<p>Ovakve mini lekcije su odli\u010dan na\u010din da krene\u0161 korak po korak ka cilju da nau\u010di\u0161 da koristi\u0161 \u010dlanove u engleskom.<\/p>\n<p>[\/et_pb_text][\/et_pb_column][\/et_pb_row][\/et_pb_section]<\/p>\n<style>\r\n.lwrp.link-whisper-related-posts{\r\n            \r\n            margin-top: 0px;\nmargin-bottom: 0px;\r\n        }\r\n        .lwrp .lwrp-title{\r\n            \r\n            font-size: 26px;\r\n        }.lwrp .lwrp-description{\r\n            \r\n            \r\n\r\n        }\r\n        .lwrp .lwrp-list-container{\r\n        }\r\n        .lwrp .lwrp-list-multi-container{\r\n            display: flex;\r\n        }\r\n        .lwrp .lwrp-list-double{\r\n            width: 48%;\r\n        }\r\n        .lwrp .lwrp-list-triple{\r\n            width: 32%;\r\n        }\r\n        .lwrp .lwrp-list-row-container{\r\n            display: flex;\r\n        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src=\"https:\/\/englishlane.net\/onlineskola\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/06\/this-that-these-those.png\" class=\"attachment-480x480 size-480x480 wp-post-image\" alt=\"Pokazne zamenice this i that\" \/><br><span class=\"lwrp-list-link-title-text\">Kada se koristi this kada that?<\/span><\/a><\/div><div class=\"lwrp-list-item\"><a href=\"https:\/\/englishlane.net\/onlineskola\/izrazi-na-engleskom-glagol-have\/\" class=\"lwrp-list-link\"><img width=\"480\" height=\"237\" src=\"https:\/\/englishlane.net\/onlineskola\/wp-content\/uploads\/2021\/03\/izrazi-na-engleskom-glagol-have.png\" class=\"attachment-480x480 size-480x480 wp-post-image\" alt=\"\" \/><br><span class=\"lwrp-list-link-title-text\">041 &#8211; Izrazi na engleskom: glagol have<\/span><\/a><\/div><div class=\"lwrp-list-item\"><a href=\"https:\/\/englishlane.net\/onlineskola\/da-li-su-ovi-glagoli-pravilni-ili-nepravilni-u-engleskom\/\" class=\"lwrp-list-link\"><img width=\"480\" height=\"237\" 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